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Title: "Conversations with a friend"  Author: Unknown

This may be a little unusual, but it is true. The conversations I describe have, I believe, helped me in my relationship with my wife - and have been very enjoyable in themselves.

Many years ago now, I shared a cubicle with another Christian a woman whom I had worked with for a number of years, during which she shared with me and other co-workers her dating trials and tribulations more so with me, I think, than with the others. I knew she loved the Lord, as did I, and was delighted when she began to date, then married, a great Christian guy as dedicated to the Lord as she. She was 10 years younger than him; he is my age.

At the time this story takes place, she was about 38; I had known her about 10 years. She was a beautiful, intelligent redhead, without guile and open to discuss many things in her life.

By the way, I had been married about 22 years by that time, happily so, but my wife had never orgasmed with me although she had with another man (another story).

For some reason I forget now, one day when no one else was around, our talk turned to sexual matters although we never considered or discussed doing anything with each other, we did discuss our respective marriages and what we did sexually.

She said for instance one day, about her 6'6 husband, He's big in every way, if you know what I mean.

Another time, she recounted how they were camping in a deserted campground, and knowing she loved oral sex, he pleased her but kept getting hairs in his teeth, which grossed him out a bit; as I told her, that aspect of it never bothered me. She also told me that she reciprocated the pleasure with him.

Although I had had a little experience before marriage, and other adventures, I had never closely examined a woman's genitals to learn the parts. As I discussed my wife's lack of orgasm, my friend asked me if I knew how to stimulate my wife's clitoris; when I confessed I didn't know what it looked like, my friend sketched a little drawing for me to look at, then described what SHE liked to have done.

We continued to have this kind of conversation for months each time I would get so rock-hard I thought would begin to feel faint from blood diversion, yet I still believe I did not sin because I was not lusting after HER I was thinking of my wife, and just turned on by the talk of sex, in general.

What a friend! After these conversations I would be turned on all day and only get relief with my wife at home.

I have come to believe that it would not even have been sin if she had showed me her genitals, to better describe the parts and demonstrate how to please a woman, as I would have taken it as instruction and reserved my desire for my wife.

Perhaps it's like the difference between admiring a rose in someone else's garden - smelling its fragrance, examining its petals, perhaps even touching it to see how it's made but not coveting it to have it for myself, or picking it to take it as my own. Likewise, I believe that I, or my wife, can see someone of the opposite sex naked, admire what we see, enjoy the view, perhaps even touch but not lust i.e. want that for ourself.

We may be getting together for coffee in the near future to catch up after several years of mutual busyness and we may resume our conversations. I'm looking forward to it!
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Comment by: Old Site Date: 2/9/2013 7:49:44 PM
A reader says ... Thanks for sharing this with us. I can't believe that you have been married for so long and your wife has never had an orgasm with you. Have you tried various techniques and erotic materials? Ask your wife what makes her feel good. Don't be embarrassed to have her help you give her orgasms. There is a lot of information in many books that you should have been studying. Good luck!

A reader says ... I must confess that I would not like my husband to have such intimate conversations with another woman. It would really make me feel a failure.

A reader says ... Good points. My wife did not know - but my co-workers husband did know and did not have a serious problem with it (the only part he was reticent about was her sharing about their sex life - not the discussion in general). But I myself know that there was no boundary-crossing as far as I was concerned.

I agree that transparency is best - but this did not harm the relationship with either spouse nor foster an unhealthy one between me and my co-worker.

Either my wife or my daughter may be with me, and her husband may be there as well - it depends on which day works out - but I expect I'll mention it to my wife.

I should also mention that the only physical interaction has been one, maybe two mild side-to-side hugs.


A reader says ... Very interesting. Did your wife know you were having these conversations with your co-worker. And did her husband know she was having these conversations with you. That is the only danger I can see is that if these conversations were done discretely then there is more room for having an affair. But if both of you were transparent with your spouses, and you both had their permission to talk like this then it seems it was fine.

I guess there might be someone who has a very jealous spouse who they know would not approve of allowing them this type of conversation and if they had a very bad sex life too, then maybe one would be tempted to not tell them, and even so, as long as the person did not want to have sex with the co-worker, then they didn't do anything wrong even though they didn't tell their spouse. But as a rule it's best to be transparent with your spouse in situations like this.

Your story does point out that sexual arousal is not lust, and I agree. Lust in Matthew 5:28, which really should be interpreted as covet, is when you consciously want to have sex with someone, who is not your spouse, and you keep thinking about it and wanting it, to the point where you are not happy with your own spouse, and so it harms your relationship with God and with your spouse - that is what I believe Jesus was referring to in Matthew 5:28. God point.

But be sure and take your wife with you when you meet with your old friend. Or at least get your wife's permission. God bless you ...

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